Sunday, 28 June 2009

A little sexism, anyone? ...

Ok ... so before I get started on today's post, here are the results of the little quiz type thing I had in my last post with regards to who writes better sex scenes in novels, men or women.


Extract A was from "The First Casualty" by Ben Elton

"Ooh-la-la!' she breathed as he smelled the clean aroma of her short bobbed hair and the rain-sodden grass around it.

'Oooh-la jolly well-la!' And so they made love together in the pouring rain, with Nurse Murray emitting a stream of girlish exclamations which seemed to indicate that she was enjoying herself. 'Gosh', 'Golly' and, as things moved towards a conclusion, even 'Tally ho!'

When it was over she pushed him off, stood up and lit a cigarette. It was still too dark to see anything but the glow of the burning tip, and by the way that was moving about Kingsley sensed that she was buttoning herself up.

'Jolly nice,' she said, 'most invigorating.'

He started off fairly promisingly as a comedy writer in the 80's for programmes such as The Young Ones and Blackadder and was a successful "alternative" stand-up with a fondness for Thatcher jokes. But his brand of humour left with the 80's and Mrs Thatcher and he now alternates between writing laughable novels and dodgy West End musicals.

Journalist, Toby Young summed him up with the following quote: "Ben Elton. Do you know this guy? He started out as an "alternative" comedian, railing against Thatcherism and the like, and now earns a fortune writing the librettos for truly awful West End musicals. I mean, his name has become a byword for shameless hackery. He's the biggest sell-out of his generation"



Extract J was from "Mr MacGregor" by Alan Titchmarsh

She planted moist, hot kisses all over his body. Beads of sweat began to appear on Guy's forehead as he became more entangled in the lissome limbs of this human boa constrictor. For fully 15 minutes their mutual passion heightened, with groans, sighs and liquid noises.

Grannies favourite, Mr Titchmarsh is best known for being a TV gardener, which somewhat shows in his writing and goes towards explaining "planted moist", "entangled in the lissome limbs" and "liquid noises" ... you can almost smell and hear the wellies and mud.

Wikipedia tells me that the man who puts the "Tit" in Titchmarsh actually won an award for worst sex scene in a book with the above excerpt.

I don't think anybody's going to be wildly surprised by that.




Extract H was from "The Stone Gods" by Jeanette Winterson

We made love by our fire, watching the snow shape the entrance to the cave. When I touch her, my fingers don't question what she is. My body knows who she is. The strange thing about strangers is that they are unknown and known.

There is a pattern to her, a shape I understand, a private geometry that numbers mine. She is a maze where I got lost years ago, and now find the way out. She is the missing map. She is the place that I am. She is a stranger. She is the strange that I am beginning to love.

Oh dear, Ms Winterson, probably best known for her novel "Oranges are not the only fruit" lets the ladies side down with this dreary, lacklustre and passionless excerpt. But at least there are no dubious liquid noises or jolly Tally Ho'ing going on, which is always a literary bonus in my opinion.


Two people got it spot on, Fancy Schmancy and PrincessImp ... so very well done to them! I'm not sure it answers the big question of whether men write better sex scenes than woman, but it does suggest that women are better at spotting a man's cackhanded attempt at describing carnal passion.


Still vaguely on the subject of the battle of the sexes, I was trawling the good old internet for some post inspiration when I came across the following vintage advertisements. Now I wouldn't call myself a feminist, I'm all for equality but there's zero danger of me burning my bra any time soon (being nearly 30 and gravity make that a BIG no, no) ... but these ads were frankly a bit shocking! And it has to be admitted, rather amusing. So of course I thought of my beloved readers straight away, "This will be right up their twisted little alleys" I chuckled fondly to myself ... so here we are. (Unfortunately I've had to squidge the pics right down in size to fit them on the page ... click on them to see the captions)



So first up, no messing around or worrying about anything as silly as delicate, female sensibilities ... Men are better than women!

Yes, apparently not only did our male ancestors like to spend their spare time casually chatting at the top of a mountain, they liked to do it whilst dressed in traditional Tyrolean garb and nonchalantly dangling some poor female from a hanging thread of their rapidly unravelling Drummond climbing sweater.

Women, the ad informs us, are all very well INDOORS, pleasant even! But a bit of a drag on a mountain.











This classic little gem tells us that failed marriages were not, as we once suspected, due to a husband's ambitious preoccupation with his career, his golf clubs or his nubile young secretary, but rather because wives were not paying due care and attention to their "dainty feminine allure".

Never fear though ... help was at hand, thanks to those ever-fragrant, marriage savers at Lysol. Their douches insured feminine daintiness "even in the presence of mucous matter" and promised to protect marriages with "no greasy after effect"

*Editor's note: You will lose kudos points if you use the phrase "something fishy" in your comments










Ladies in the 60's liked their men to blow in their faces ... I guess some things never go out of fashion ..


















This one actually made me gasp out loud (GOL?) ... if you can't see the original text, it says:

"Though she was a tiger lady, our hero didn't have to fire a shot to floor her. After one look at his Mr Leggs slacks, she was ready to have him walk all over her. That noble styling sure soothes the savage heart! If you'd like your own doll-to-doll carpeting, hunt up a pair of these he-man Mr Leggs slacks"


















I'm just surprised the number of mariticide's wasn't sky high in those days ...


















Actually, I don't entirely disapprove of this one :P ...















Boy, oh boy, oh boy ...



















Haha ... look at her grinning through gritted teeth, she's just dying to smush his face in that blender ...















I wonder what those women think when they look back at these ads? ... If they're not all dead from lung cancer after having all those men blowing in their faces, of course ...












Sheesh ... talk about a wish list! Although I must admit to crying every time I try to use my mum's electric can opener and have to stand there in helpless frustration as the tin whirls round and round with no apparent sign of ever opening.




















I've never understood the really militant feminists types, but I'm guessing it was this kind of thing that got them all boiling mad. Maybe they'd had enough of being dangled precariously off of mountains and trying to maintain that crucial feminine daintiness, they didn't want to be walked over by men in crisp, natty Mr Legg slacks or made to wear ridiculous chef's hats whilst lovingly blending their husband's dinners. Maybe they had a point. Attitudes needed to change and I'm glad they have.

But I'm still not going to burn my bra.

65 comments:

Hit 40 said...

You have about 3 posts here!! LOL

I love the comparison of the mens /womens sex writing samples. Too funny that the women wrote about snowflakes and fires. While the men wrote about groans of pleasure to seal their manliness!!!

I had not seen the old ads. My mom is still from back in the stone ages. She likes to ask what I am cooking for dinner/ or when did I clean the house. Who cares!!

Hubby does like food. But, a clean house?? not really. He also doesn't like fishy smells.

Girl Interrupted said...

lol I know :P but there were so many good pictures I couldn't resist them.

Yep, men are quite predictable when it comes to sex, I guess lol

lol @ your husband not liking fishy smells! :P

John Smith said...

The mountain men ad is something else. Come to the mountain with your burly man friends and pose seductively in your fetching pullover sweater? That has to be as close to an openly gay ad as I've ever seen.

***

I was not sure what sex any of the writers were, but I was sure none of them had ever had any and the pictures bear out this hypothesis.

Especially the garden guy. As much as I like gardening, I just don't think it has any place in sex scenes. Now I enjoy plowing fertile fields and planting my thick root in the ample cleft of the earth's warm bosom as much as the next man but seriously, who could be excited by talk like that? Actually now that I think of it....

J.J. in L.A. said...

If I remember correctly, I said 2 men and 1 woman. I just got them in the wrong order. lol!

Those ads are hilarious! No, no, you're improvements are hilarious!

Last night, my man told me a fishy story that I'll probably blog about. I was laughing so hard that I have to ask him to repeat it, just in case I missed something.

Eric said...

I absolutely love the retro ad stuff! Have you seen Lidian's site?

Say, did you modify that last ad just a little bit, missy? lol

Fancy Schmancy said...

I love your take on things. I'm thinking if Gloria had the internet, things would have been MUCH different! Brava!

tennysoneehemingway said...

Now let me get this straight: you're saying men AREN'T better than women? Just how long has this sort of thinking been polluting your mind then?

Girl Interrupted said...

lol John ... awesome comment as always! :P You should definitely consider a career in writing garden porn, although you'd probably get people like Alan Titchmarsh excited which is rather disturbing.

J.J ... lol very good try ;) Looking forward to reading your man's story, everybody loves a fishy tale ... it's a fishy tail that they turn their noses up at

Eric ... no I haven't, I'll check it out asap :) Hehe ... I might have, just a leetle bit :P artistic licence and all that

Fancy ... lol thanks

Tennyson ... :P pretty much since I've had a mind capable of being polluted. Nice to see you back :) hope you had a great holiday

The Kid In The Front Row said...

I am so ignorant to all this stuff, I guess because I am a man. It's not that when it comes to debate about equality I'm on the men's side; what it is, is that while women are harping on about this stuff, I'm just sat in my room having a cup of tea.

Surely, true equality would be if women just sat and had a cup of tea also.

By even talking about the battle of the sexes, or even writing a blog entry like this, you acknowledge a difference between men and women, you create that supposed gap -- surely it's better to not think about it, drink a cup of tea, and not allow for the possibility that such a thing exists.

And besides, say a man does earn more in a workplace, so what-- any woman can quite easily tell a man exactly where that money will go or exactly what she needs bought or exactly where she wants a plane ride too - therefore, that woman becomes far more powerful than her husband/boyfriend/fuck-buddy who is the head of the company.

Girl Interrupted said...

Kid ... I'd comment back, but I'm just off for a cup of tea :)

mo.stoneskin said...

Of course men are better, I've never doubted it. Ben Elton should be worshipped and praised daily. I'm still waiting for the day when John Cleese writes his romantic novel. Actually, it would be great if the ghost of the great Douglas Adams wrote a sex scene.

Girl Interrupted said...

Mo ... I'd pay good money to read a sex scene by Douglas Adams lol

Mr. Condescending said...

I had to read this post 3 times over to catch it all. (I guess thats a good thing though!)

If I could go back in time again, I would ABSOLUTELY snag a pair of authentic 'Mr Leggs'.

Girl Interrupted said...

Mr C ... I'm fairly sure you already have a long line of ladies who would happily let you walk all over them, with or without a pair of snazzy Mr Leggs slacks ;)

Carrie said...

I'm pretty sure I would have boycotted all magazines if I were around to see ads like that. Jeez.

(Also, the first guy that tries to blow smoke in my face is going to have the cigarette shoved up his nostril. While still burning.)

Girl Interrupted said...

Carrie ... amazing how much attitudes have changed, huh?

Dr Zibbs said...

You gotta admit that if you screw up the coffee yo deserve a spanking.

I mean..it's coffee!

Girl Interrupted said...

Dr Z ... I heartily agree. I also think if you make a GOOD cup of coffee you deserve a little spanking too by means of a reward!

Did you ever see those ads with the big linebacker guy? Think his name was Terry something ... they were hilarious. Classic line: "If you kill the joe, make some mo!"

words...words...words... said...

I'm not sure I want the same company making douches and the stuff I disinfect the garbage can with.

And I liked the coffee ad. That woman doesn't seem overly upset. I'll wager his coffee will be mishandled again, and soon. ;)

Girl Interrupted said...

lol exactly! But I guess garbage cans need to preserve their feminine daintiness too.

Haha ... yep, like all women, she knows what she likes ... we just do that half-hearted protest thing to add to the excitement ;)

miss. chief said...

so let me get this straight; all i have to do to keep me from being locked out of my own house is spray some lysol on my junk? sweet.

i'm totally linking this post from my blog, to inform women everywhere how to finally get that toaster oven. all you have to do is cry a little!

Girl Interrupted said...

Miss C ... Yep! Who knew, huh? lol

Vic said...

Why is it that the sex authors all have sneaky smiles on their faces? I think they're all in on an Andy Kaufman/Sasha Baron Cohen -style writing prank.

Have any of them done any mud wrestling that you know of?

Girl Interrupted said...

lol not that I know of, Vic ... but I suspect Alan Titchmarsh might be a dwarf-tosser if that's any consolation?

Dominica said...

Too late to burn that bra now (hittin' 40 next year and gravity still does it's thing)
But what horrendous adds !!
The one with the bottle is the worst ! OMG ! I don't know how many times I'm the one that has opened a bottle or jar instead of the guy ! Like in the coca-cola adds lately !
The chef add is hilarious ! I just told my husband I can't cook (that's the advantage of gettin married the 2nd time ; you LEARN baby !!)
LOL

Nanc Twop said...

''I've been reading the Daily Mail'' - ooo GI, Welcome to the Dark Side!... Make sure you wash your hands afterward. And spray some Lysol, you know, just to be safe.

Great ads, btw. And I'm just sorry I missed your sexy writer poll... I was totally sure 'A' was a woman - no guy puts bob-hair women in their fantasies!

Girl Interrupted said...

Dominica ... Haha :P they are dreadful, but so funny!

Girl Interrupted said...

Nanc ... :P ahh, I'm in good company then, I feel better about it now ... I always use Lysol, I would hate my feminine daintiness to be compromised lol

Ha! I guess Ben Elton must be in touch with his feminine side! lol

miss. chief said...

@mo.s - john cleese or douglas adams writing a sex scene would be the best thing ever!

Girl Interrupted said...

lol can you imagine John Cleese as Basil Fawlty getting a bit fruity? That would be cringe makingly funny! :P

words...words...words... said...

The sexual tension between Basil and Manuel was palpable!

Toni said...

When I was 18, my friends and I got drunk (no surprise there) and dared each other to write a sex scene (boy v girl) and the winner was the one that got our friend *cough cough* 'happy' - needless to say our boy friend read his story 3 times and didn't get anything - we won after 5 sentences :-)

Girl Interrupted said...

Toni ... now that's what I call Girl Power! haha wtg! :P

And thanks for stopping by! :)

Girl Interrupted said...

lol words ... Basil Fawlty? Or Basil the "Siberian Hamster" ?

words...words...words... said...

Well, I didn't want to be uncouth in your blog (which is dumb, considering the blogstress is rather bawdy herself!)...but all three.

Girl Interrupted said...

Now that's quite the menage a trois!!

Er ... are you calling me a bawdry blogstress??? :O

Nej said...

I'll admit, those ads make my skin itch.

But I'm keeping my bra too. :-)

Girl Interrupted said...

Nej ... we can be mildly offended and perky ;)

PrincessImp. said...

Yay I got it right! :D
Seriously the first 2 extracts were really dodgy..but man, oh man I have no words for those ads! *feels giant chip on the should coming out*
How obtuse can ads be in those days? Though I really love your own take on those ads!
And I'll actually burn my bra...if I can convince KL to get me new ones ;)

Girl Interrupted said...

:P you did! Well done! Glad you liked my ads ... and I hadn't thought of using feminist bra burning as an excuse to get new undies! I like the way you think ;)

The Kid In The Front Row said...

All this bra talk is turning me on!

Girl Interrupted said...

Hehe ... ;) you could always think about a naked Bernard Manning, if it would help?

The Jules said...

I suppose writing sex scens has to be a bit more erotic than simply saying "He placed his penis into her vagina and moved it around a bit until ejaculation occurred. All was well."

Excellent post BTW. I must be a product of my generation though.

Nothing sexier than a confident woman who can beat you in an argument.

Girl Interrupted said...

Jules ... the "All was well" just made me choke on my toast! Hahaha ... oh please write a book! And put lots of sex scenes in it :P Glad you liked the post.

John Smith said...

I'm glad it was as good for you as it was for me.

oo-la jolly-well-la!

Girl Interrupted said...

John ... If I smoked I'd be lighting a cigarette up right now.

Tally ho!

the girl with the pink teacup said...

Oh, Girl Interrupted, I took my sweeeeet time getting to this post! But I knew it would be quality (as always) and needed time to savour the goodness...

SO FUCKING HILARIOUS. I laughed so hard - but also secretly cringed, too. My grandmother had to put up with that shit? AH! (Although I did kinda like the 50s boss fantasy one. Is that wrong?)

And I love you so much for calling Ben Elton on his hack-ness. I don't think I'll ever hate him, thanks to Blackadder, but that woeful 'sex scene' (?) brings me dangerously close to something quite like hate...

You = fantastic.

Girl Interrupted said...

:) hey Girl, thank you, you always leave such great comments! Glad you liked the post, I kept thinking that about my own Grandmother, but I guess the truth is that most women just accepted it as the way things were and knew no different. Mind you, my Grandmother was extremely fiesty and was definitely the boss in her marriage, so I don't feel too bad for her lol

Haha :P hell no it's not wrong! We have to have our fun and games to spice life up ;)

Ben Elton is such a disappointment for me now, I can't even begin to say how much I love Blackadder and for him to have taken the career path he has after being responsible for something so brilliant feels like a very big let-down, and kinda summed up by that very embarrassing sex scene.

You're not so bad yourself ;)

darren said...

I loved this post, your take on the ads tickled me and made me laugh out loud more than once. I suddenly have a craving for flat, stale coffee though.

Girl Interrupted said...

:) glad you liked it Darren ... and you're in luck, cos that's the only kind of coffee I serve ;)

diane said...

Very well written! Being older than the hills, I could relate to some of these in a weird way. I remember that way of dressing, the hair, the eyelashes, all of that stuff. I'm glad things have changed too.

I very much appreciated your kind note, btw.

Girl Interrupted said...

Thanks Diane :) It's great to have you back xxx

Prometheus said...

Hehe this crazy. I guess there was no advertising standards agency or anything back then lol.

Of course this caption made me laugh the most:

"Ladies in the 60's liked their men to blow in their faces ... I guess some things never go out of fashion .."

Pretty radical how soceity has changed huh

Girl Interrupted said...

:P glad it made you laugh, Prometheus

Alyson said...

That was fantastic!

Reminds me of that movie "Mona Lisa Smile".

I loved the "If your husband ever finds out" one too. Classic.

John Smith said...

I love black adder and the young ones, too, btw. It is pretty sad to see someone sink that far but sadly it's probably more an indication of the kind of crap that people are willing to actually pay for. He probably has sent out 3-4 brilliant ideas for shows and gotten no response but he sends out something for a bittersweet comedy about a dog and a twoheaded cop or an angel who trains a boxer to fight against a communist boxer studio execs jump all over it because it's 'proven', ie it is vaguely like some other work that was already successful.

jerrod said...

You mean a woman can open it?

wow.

You dear, are on my offical "blogs better than mine" list. it's very prestigous.

Girl Interrupted said...

OWO ... glad you enjoyed it :) I've not seen that film, I'm not a big fan of Julia Roberts and I always imagined it would be the feminist version of Dead Poets Society ... which just really made me want to laugh :P

John ... yeah, good point ... but I still can't forgive him for the ghastly west end "musicals" stuff :/

Girl Interrupted said...

lol Jerrod ... she can if she has a big, brave, strapping man to do it for her ;)

And thank you! I'm suitably honoured :) I'm rapidly becoming a big fan of your blog too

Simon Butler said...

For some reason I rather liked the spanking one.

As for the ads in general, I think they tell us as much about the advertising industry as the society of the time. You can be pretty sure that most people looking at them then thought they were pretty embarrassing and/or laughable too.

But I admit I now feel slightly sorry for Alan Titchmarsh – something I never expected to.

Girl Interrupted said...

Simon ... I always thought advertising played on appealing to social attitudes and wants? ... I mean who doesn't enjoy a good spanking?

Please, never feel sorry for Titchmarsh.

Alyson said...

Actually, I think it's a pretty decent movie.

In it she's an art history professor at Wellsley. She basically freaks out over the fact that all the girls are doing is biding their time at college until they get married and keep house for some prick.

The photos that you posted are similar to a slide show that she showed in class during a tirade.

Girl Interrupted said...

OWO ... I think my mum has it on dvd, I'll check it out this weekend

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Girl Interrupted said...

Hey! Great to hear from you ... I'll come and check out your new blog! :) Hope you had a good weekend.